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Episode #289

Most Roofers Say ‘Know Your Numbers’—But This Is What That Actually Means

Featuring: Corey Combes

Combes explains in this episode, that advice is often vague, incomplete, and misleading without real clarity on which numbers matter, why they matter, and what actions to take once you see them

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Guest: Corey Combes

Company: SouthShore Roofing & Exteriors

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Corey Combes is a longtime roofing industry professional, contractor, and consultant with hands-on experience building and operating roofing companies. He works closely with contractors on sales systems, operations, and leadership, helping roofing businesses scale more profitably without burning out.

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Why “Knowing Your Numbers” Is Still Failing Most Roofing Companies

Most roofing contractors have heard the phrase “know your numbers.” But as Corey Combes explains in this episode, that advice is often vague, incomplete, and misleading without real clarity on which numbers matter, why they matter, and what actions to take once you see them.

In a year where many roofing companies have been hit hard by a softer market, Corey shares lessons from running multiple construction businesses, working with fractional CFOs, and spending years digging into financial, operational, and marketing data. This episode is not about vanity metrics. It is about survival, efficiency, and building a roofing company that can withstand downturns.

Below is a breakdown of the biggest takeaways for roofing business owners who want to stop guessing and start making confident decisions.


“Know Your Numbers” Without Context Is Useless

Corey challenges one of the most common phrases in the industry. Saying “know your numbers” sounds good, but it lacks specificity.

Many roofing companies look at profit and loss statements or job costing summaries and assume they understand their business. In reality, those reports only show the result, not the cause. Profitability is made up of dozens of smaller decisions related to spending, efficiency, staffing, marketing, and timing.

The real work begins when you understand how each number is created, not just what the total looks like at the end of the month.

“When you really start to distill it down, you realize how many pieces go into profitability. It’s where you spend money, how efficient you are, and knowing what to cut or double down on.”

This mindset directly supports the Profit and Operations sides of the Seven Ps framework.


Establishing a Financial Baseline Changes Everything

One of the most impactful lessons Corey shares is the importance of defining a baseline revenue number. Instead of hoping each month will be profitable, his team worked backward to determine exactly how much cash was required to keep the business running.

This meant annualizing expenses, accounting for variable costs like commissions and payroll taxes, and determining an average monthly burn rate. From there, they calculated how much revenue needed to be sold and produced every month just to cover expenses.

Once that baseline was established, decisions became clearer. Sales targets were realistic, cash flow expectations were grounded, and slow months were no longer a surprise.

Without this foundation, many roofing owners are reacting too late.


Why Good Times Hide Bad Systems

Corey is candid about a mistake many owners make. When business is booming, inefficiencies are easy to ignore. Cash flow masks weak processes, bloated overhead, and poor visibility.

When the market tightens, those weaknesses surface quickly.

“When times are good, nobody thinks about this stuff. When things slow down, you realize how hard it is to turn the ship.”

This lesson ties directly to Purpose and People. Owners must decide whether they are building a company designed to last or one dependent on constant momentum.


Cutting Costs Is Easier When You Know Where to Look

During a difficult year, Corey had to make hard decisions. Trucks came off the road. Staffing levels were adjusted. Overhead was right-sized to match reality.

What made those decisions possible was visibility. Instead of emotional or panic-driven cuts, changes were made based on data and financial thresholds.

This is where many contractors struggle. They slash marketing blindly, lean too heavily on credit, or reduce staff without understanding the downstream effects.

Corey emphasizes discipline. Access to capital is important, but using it to prop up inefficiency can sink a company faster than a downturn itself.


The Biggest Black Hole Is Between Marketing and Sales

One of the most eye-opening parts of the episode is the discussion around lead tracking.

Most roofing companies can see how many leads they generate. Few can see what happens after the lead comes in.

Corey identified major blind spots between marketing and the CRM, between intake and booked opportunities, and between opportunities and closed sales. Without stage-by-stage visibility, owners often blame lead quality when the real issue is missed calls, poor admin follow-up, weak sales execution, or inaccurate attribution.

“We found leaks where we didn’t expect them. The data told a very different story than our assumptions.”

This insight connects directly to Promotion, Persuasion, and People.


Why Lead Attribution Is More Complicated Than “Google”

Another major takeaway is attribution accuracy. Many leads show up as “Google” in CRMs, but that label hides the truth.

Was it PPC, LSA, organic search, or a billboard that caused someone to search the brand later?

Inaccurate attribution leads to poor budgeting decisions. Low cost per lead does not equal profitability. What matters is conversion rate, revenue generated, and return on investment across the entire funnel.

Roofing companies that fail to separate attribution properly often overinvest in channels that look cheap but underperform long term.


Data Only Matters If It Leads to Action

Perhaps the most important insight from the episode is that data alone does not fix anything. Many contractors feel overwhelmed once numbers are exposed. The intimidation factor causes inaction.

Metrics should clearly answer three questions:

  • What is broken
  • Who owns the problem
  • What action should be taken next

Without that clarity, dashboards become expensive decorations instead of decision-making tools.

This aligns with Education, Technology, and Leadership within the Seven Ps.


Final Reflection: Visibility Builds Resilient Roofing Companies

This episode is a reminder that roofing success is not about working harder or buying the next shiny tool. It is about clarity.

When you truly understand your numbers, you stop guessing. You stop blaming the market. You stop reacting late. Instead, you lead with intention, adjust earlier, and protect your business through every market cycle.

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FAQs: Roofing Business Takeaways from This Episode

Start by annualizing all expenses, including variable costs like commissions, payroll taxes, insurance, and overhead. From there, calculate your average monthly expenses and work backward to determine the sales volume required to stay afloat.

Topic: Finance-Accounting

Profitability and cash flow are different. Production timing, billing delays, and uneven sales cycles can create cash gaps even when margins look strong on paper.

Topic: Operations-Management

Leads may be generated but lost during intake, CRM handoff, or sales follow-up. Without visibility into each stage, it is easy to misdiagnose the problem.

Topic: Marketing

Track leads issued, conversion rates, revenue generated, and marketing cost per rep. Sales performance should be measured by return on investment, not just closed deals.

Topic: Sales

Manual data entry is time-consuming and prone to errors. A single mistake can throw off reporting and lead to poor decisions across the business.

Topic: Technology-Innovation

Not blindly. Evaluate which channels generate the highest revenue and strongest conversion rates before reallocating or reducing budget.

Topic: Growth-Expansion

They are a tool, not a solution. Credit should be established before it is needed and used carefully. Using debt to support inefficiency can make financial problems worse.

Topic: Finance-Accounting

The gap between lead generation and booked opportunities. Missed calls, weak admin processes, and unclear accountability create major revenue leakage.

Topic: Operations-Management

Why do many contractors avoid digging into their numbers?

Topic: Education-Training

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